Richard Owen in Naples
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Italian police began a nationwide round-up of nearly 400 illegal immigrants from the Balkans and North Africa yesterday in the midst of a series of arson attacks on Roma gypsy camps in the suburbs of Naples.
The first step in a drive on crime promised by the new centre-right government of Silvio Berlusconi targeted temporary encampments on the outskirts of cities from Naples to northern Italy. Some 118 people held in the operation were ordered to be expelled immediately for offences ranging from drug dealing and robbery to prostitution.
But in Naples local people have anticipated the new policy, taking the law into their own hands.
This week’s assaults on Roma shanty towns by scores of youths on scooters and motorbikes wielding iron bars and throwing Molotov cocktails were sparked off by the capture of a 17-year-old Roma girl who last weekend entered a flat in Ponticelli and tried to steal a 6-year-old girl. Chased by the mother and neighbours, she had to be rescued by police from being lynched.
The city erupted in fury, with local women leading the marches on the Roma camps to the chant of “Fuori, fuori [Out, out]”. Night after night young men — allegedly acting on the orders of powerful local clans of the Camorra, the Naples Mafia — have set the sites ablaze, blocking attempts by the fire brigade to put out the fires, with exploding gas canisters completing the destruction. The women jeered at the firemen, shouting, "You put these fires out, we start them again”.
Plumes of smoke were still rising yesterday from the smouldering, blackened ruins of a Roma gypsy camp attacked and burnt to the ground by local vigilantes in Ponticelli, a rundown industrial suburb in the east of Naples in the shadow of Mount Vesuvius.
The charred remains of the makeshift wooden shacks at the site on Via Malibran crunch underfoot. The only sign of life is dogs scavenging through the neighbouring mountain of uncollected, rotting rubbish.
There are similar scenes of devastation at camps nearby, including one in the incongruously named Via Virginia Woolf. At one squalid “nomad camp” beneath a motorway flyover, intact but deserted, a policeman guarding the site said that the inhabitants had fled during the night to avoid being attacked.
The signs of hasty panic were everywhere, with doors to the shacks left open and the ground strewn with clothing, shoes, bicycles, plastic bottles, pots and pans and children’s toys.
Hundreds of Roma families have fled for their lives with their belongings piled on to small pick-up trucks or handcarts. Some have been taken under police protection to a former school used to house illegal immigrants in a northern Naples suburb. Others have found refuge at Roma camps elsewhere in the Campania region, while a few have been taken in by Naples residents shocked at this outbreak of “xenophobia”.
The Naples arson attacks, however, are the result of long-festering anger throughout Italy over rising crime levels and urban degradation, much of it blamed on Roma gypsies and the estimated half a million Romanians who have emigrated to Italy since Romania joined the European Union.
According to the Roma rights group, Opera Nomadi, there are 2,500 Roma in Naples, 1,000 from Romania and 1,500 from the Balkans. A spokesperson for the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) drew parallels with Roma people forced to flee from the Balkans, saying: “We never thought we’d see such images in Italy.”
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Germany is getting paid a lot of money to dispose of Naple's rubbish and are not doing it for charity! Besides, this article is about gypsies and not rubbish!!!
Sara, Naples, Italy
Hazel, Gross-Gerau, Germany -- you are right, but where we can deport illegal immigrants if they are European and can come to Italy when they want? Does Ms. Merkel support Italy in the EU or not? Is EU that doesn't work. It was a mistake to enlarge it too much.
ned, milan, Italy
Napoli should first of all take care of their garbage and not send it to Germany like they do.
While Rroma people (Rrom in their language means "human being") were exterminated in some nazi rulled countries in Europe some others managed to keep most of them alive and now they have to pay for it.
adrian, Bucharest, Romania
The real problem is: the UK or Italy are still countries with own sovereignity? Is stil UK a state or not? May UK decide something for Great Britain or not? This is the main problem.
antonio, turin, Italy
If the illegal immigrants are becoming a threat and making life unbearable for the Italians, they should be deported. They have no right to be in Italy in the first place. Sending them home is not a crime, just a legal measure to protect the legal citizens and the country.
Hazel, Gross-Gerau, Germany
People who stoop as low to steal a child should expect an unpresidented wrath.
There is no measuring of the fealing from most placid people when something presents a threat to their own children. That is human nature, preservation and right.
Bob, warrington, cheshire
Yes that's nice... let's hope racism and intolerance will spread again round Europe. Let's start our own fondamentalism... You criticize countries with dangerously high levels of nationalism and with almost no democracy and than you want to adopt the same policies. Don't know whether to laugh or cry
Raffaele Calvia, Trieste, Italiy
Everyone sitting there spewing their venom and doctrine of hate needs to look at history: every single one of you is ultimately descended from nomadic tribes or a group that moved into an area uninvited...this means that you are a product of immigration. Hatred & violence are not the answer here.
Susanna, Sandusky, OH, US
"Just the start of rebellion"???? they're people like you and me, doesn't matter what they do, they deserve respect and they can't be killed, unluckily here in Italy we're every day more and more arrogant, violent and I see xenophobia rising..... I want still believe ina world without race....
Tecla, Milan-London-Paris,
Nice to see the old child-stealing stereotype in action again! Have any charges been brought? Does anyone care? How about the stereotype of Italians as irredeemable fascist thugs to restore some balance? Anyone actually remember the 1930's?
Kevin, London, UK
I think this is the solution: an honest person shoud have rights and so he should be able to travel anywhere or choose where to live. A criminal should not have rights of any sort so he cannot choose where to move or live. Criminals commit crimes, honest people don't.
Giancarlo, London, England
giandomenico piluso, milan: 1)please, don't speak about Beccaria: he'll suicide himself if saw Italy invaded by anywhere.
2) Italians emigrates in the US at the beginning of the 20th centuries, but Italy never had African slaves like the US. Neither Europe had never African slaves in Europe.
andrea, lucca, Italy
Michael, Folkestone, UK
Why is it that people who don't want mass imigration like myself always get called racist by people like you? its got nothing to do with race, but the fact that it has become an open borders policy that i don't agree with.
Shane, Blackburn, England
As anyone may easily verify the rule of law and law enforcement are not usual in Italy. They don't use to respect laws, even the more simple ones (i.e., lights). Now they are keen to smash the weak for their frustration. A mob can't judge or punish. Do you remind a great Lombard, Cesare Beccaria?
giandomenico piluso, milan, italy
Shane in Blackburn - I don't know where to start. How are you defining "third world"? People of different colour? In that case, you're a racist. Or poor people? Ask yourself why they're poor. Would you stop all immigration / emigration worldwide? In that case, what about Brits in Spain?
Michael, Folkestone, UK
To Gordon in Auckland, NZ...
I take it that you are indigenous to New Zealand, so of Mauri origin?
Immigration is fine, if people want to come and work, integrate into their new home, and pay taxes.
Allowing camps to thrive outside the cities, was a bad idea from the start, creating ghettos.
Daniel R, Berkshire, UK,
There is a difference between immigrants and colonists: Immigrands eventually become part of the country they immigrate to, of its economy (working, producing) and adapt to(indeed seek for) the way of life of the host country. Colonists reproduce their gypsy or islamic (or whatever) way of life.
Rui, Lisbon, Portugal
I am very sorry, but Andrea from Lucca is terribly wrong about average wages in USA. Europeans were eager to reach America because of its highest wages untill 1960s-1970s, when European wages converged as a consequence of the economic growht, i.e. productivity. On the contrary, why did we emigrate?
giandomenico piluso, milan, italy
Dear Pascal-Pierre, Eu ( France), me too I had great hope in EU and first I consider myself European, but what kind of Europe do we want? Europe isn't the USA in the 19th or 20th centuries, great spaces with few people, is already overcrowed by Europeans....What to do?
betty, Venezia, Italia
It seems to me that the main legal trouble in Naples, as in many other areas in Southern Italy, is stemming from the existence of a mighty criminal organisation, camorra, a sort of mafia. Nonetheless, when a country is declining an external enemy is provided. A feeble minority could be fit...
giandomenico piluso, milan, italy
So let's analyze the situation. Three days ago a gang of italian underage boys killed and burned a girl; yesterday an italian man abused of a romanian girl; today a boy has been found undressing and filming a 13 years old girl. Yes I think crime in Italy is all immigrants fault!
Raffaele Calvia, Trieste, Italiy
John, Placentia, OC, California: Rep. or Dem. are not very different : the US have another history. Without immigration the US never existed. The Europeans are different. American job was always cheap: the US had slaves in their tradition. Luckily Italians never had slaves.
andrea, lucca, Italy
Micheal, Folkstone, UK
Come up to Blackburn and see what mass imigration is realy like on a large scale, large areas are nolonger English but more like the third world, invite large amounts of people from the third world to live in your country and what do you think you get? the 3rd world,period
Shane, Blackburn, England
andrea, lucca, italy: John McCain said on Fox News last week that he will NOT enforce US boarder control law and deport illegal immigrants. The Republicans want cheap labor and they make money running illegal immigrants across the boarder. The problem is growing here in the US.
John, Placentia, OC California
Oh, and something else. To the rascists, with an obvious lack of geographical knowledge, posting here; I'd like to remind you that the Roma and Romanian people are actually citizens of the EU, with, at least in principle, the same rights as you or I.
Norman, Udine, Italy
1) We should not enlarge Shengen to Romania and Bulgaria. The last enlargement is enough 2) Shengen Countries (EU countries + Norway and Iceland and without UK and Ireland) should develop a strong common policy on immigration from external countries.
Horace, Florence, Italy
Shane in Blackburn - your own name means 'God is gracious' and comes from a Hebrew origin. Which country do you want back?? A country where football 'fans' run riot stuffed with alcohol or one where people try simply to live, to eat a bit of bread every day?
Connor, London,
The problem of immigration is not only criminal and illegal immigrants, but that Italians don't want to be invaded by foreign people for which there is no jobs, no houses, no place. If the pope has problems, he could invite immigrants in his state. Long life to Lega Nord
vale, venice, Italy
Two days ago an italian baby-gang(all underage) killed and burned a girl; yesterday an italian man abused of a romanian young girl; today an italian boy was found making porn movies with a 13 years old girl. Yes most obviously the italian problem are immigrants; otherwise we'd be saints.
Raffaele Calvia, Trieste, Italiy
the EU can only work with states and people that share the same ideals and culture. face it!
What is happeneing is cruel...maybe, but too much is too much. Why blame our transalpine neighbors ?
pascal-pierre, Dinan, EU (France)
How can you say that you want this to spread to the rest of Europe? It is only uncontrolled in migration into the UK that hasa kept our economy stable in recent years becuase many migrants are prepared to take jobs which they are terribly over qualified for because Britains are to lazy to work.
Matt, Birmingham,
We are not even aloud to speak of the problem and have to act in denial in the UK about the problem. It does take place, everyone knows it, I have been a victim of who we dare not speak of many times. PC, and Liberal lefty attitudes have made this nation an open prison.
Kinny, Cambridge, UK
Andrea - "The US don't permit illegal immigration in the US". Not sure where you heard that but at conservative estimates there are at least 20 million illegal immigrants here. Years of inaction and lack of enforcement of the immigration rules have resulted in a complete mess here in the US.
ExPat, TX, USA
To P D Cunninghan, Camden, USA: how to help the countries where the immigrants come from?
Luca, Pisa, Italy
First they came for the gypsies...
Michael, Folkestone, UK
If the government allows unlimited immigration, what do you expect?
I can see it here one day.....
....it'll probably start with non-integrating sections or areas of our cities
Phil, Preston,
this should happen across europe...in italy, it is a start!
tom reid, london,
Bravo, forza Napoli! Hopefully just the start of the rebellion against the disaster of uncontrolled immigration into Europe. Fingers crossed it will spread into the UK.
Garley, London, UK
So the Roma are from a nomadic background and have a distinct culture.
Just like the Tibetans, then?
Wheres Mia Farrow when you need her?
Pete, Cov,
Gypsies don't work to live, you know. The guilty are those left-wing majors who in past years opened nomad camps around Italy cities. Lazio has 15.000 camps, Lombardy about 7.000.
Then there are illegal emigrants who live with crimes. The US don't permit illegal immigration in the US.
andrea, lucca, italy
Mohammed, You are true in saying that if they are dirt poor we cannot blame them for stealing food, but if you read the article it notes that this situtaion was ignited by
the theft of a baby, not some bread, which is a little different dont you think?
And fear my lord?? No thanks I dont have one
Bill Reminder, Leicester,
Its about time the indigenous people had a say as to who comes to live in their country especially when the illegals commit crime. The politicians should show some guts and deport them immediately.
gordon, auckland, nz
Didnt the Nazi's call concentration camps 'detention centres'?
My government (past and present) and its police should be ashamed of themselves for letting a Mob do this. Whether we like it or not, the Roma are here under EC laws, which we benefit from. Maybe we should burn the parliament instead.
MB, Milano, Italy
Its vital to distinguish between Roma and Romanians generally.
The Roma issue is a European one....and not just the EU. Roma are a distinct people who have historically transcended borders. Their problems and the problems they present must be addressed globally.
Charles Bell, Cluj Napoca, Romania
it seems that xenophobia is everywhere lately, the fact that these people live if shanty towns means they have no money, so if they have no money and no job how on earth can they be blamed for stealing food?
People dont live on the streets out of choice! Have some compassion and fear your lord!!!
Mohammed, birmingham, UK
Good God! Must people resort to violence to sort this out? Hopefully, responsible people from both communities can come forward and work on the problem. Crime and illegal occupation of land are problems but there are better ways to correct them. Populist politicians exploit it for their benefit.
Armando, New Jersey, USA
Since when is tackling ILLEGAL immigration called racism?
Immigration is a key part to Italy's development both economically and socially, especially now that population growth is next to nothing. However this immigration must be controlled and it must be LEGAL.
Sebastian, Milano, Italia
The problem is that all the italian media keep marking all crimes done by immigrants and try to avoid talking about "italian crimes". Today a young romanian girl has been threatened with a knife and forced to sexual abuses from a 39 years old italian man and no TV news talked about that. Xenophobia.
Raffaele Calvia, Trieste, Italiy
Thank God for Mr Berlusconi and the Liga Nord.
Has common sense finally begun to break out on the Continent?
I am not yet convinced. I will be, though, when we march on Brussels...
Eriks Laimins, Riga, Latvia
When right wing Italian politicians talk of the "Roma problem" we should be worried, before long they will be talking about the "Muslim problem", the "Jewish problem" and so on...
Oliver, London,
I agree with your sentiments that illegal immigration should be stopped, but even Maggie Thatcher could not prevent it so how is it the fault of "The liberals who allow unbridled illegal immigration into the EU"
The answer is to help the countries these people come from so they dont want to leave.
P D Cunningham, Camden, USA
What the article doesn't say is that this horrible situation has been mostly caused by the appalling inefficiency of our judicial system and police apparatus. But there are too many politicos here who intensely dislike efficient courts and effective police forces...
Vittorio Caffe', Rome, Italy
When are the socialists going to get it in there heads that mass imigration DOES NOT WORK, i for one want my country back.
shane, blackburn, England
This is just the beginning, our new Berlusconi's Governement will certainly solve this problem and in Italy we will be able to live again safely and relaxed.
Roberto Castellano, Salsomaggiore, Italy
we should do the same here in the UK to non EU migrants
Neil, London, UK
Here we go again.
martyn, calvia, Scotland
The liberals who allow unbridled illegal immigration into the EU are responsible for what is happening in Naples as well as those public officials who are indifferent to the degradation of the urban environment and infrastructure by Roma camps and too many illegal immigrants. This is not racism .
mark, Ibrag, Malta